Andre Dawson? Seriously?


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Andre Dawson is a Hall of Famer.  Someone has got to be kidding me. 

Dawson isn’t the first and certainly won’t be the last to enter the hallowed halls without merit.  However, in my worthless opinion, Dawson as a Hall of Famer just doesn’t add up.

The turf at Olympic Stadium is getting enough mentions to be a trending topic on Twitter.  It’s ridiculous.  How many plate appearances did the guy need to compile these stats, it certainly seems like he was a man who wouldn’t give up the game. 

Most certainly however, the man epitomizes class.  But is that now an important measurement for what the BBWAA deem Hall of Fame worthy? 

If baseball had more men like Dawson, the game would be better for it.  No question.   A player that signs a blank contract?  Like Dawson did.  That is noble.

He was above average.  Each year he put up solid numbers, but was he even the best player on his team?  He had WAR numbers that were terrific for four years, he had one outstanding season, but come on, this was a below borderline candidate.

Andre Dawson is now the Hall of Famer outfielder with the lowest OBP  (.323).  Dawson pulls in behind Reggie Jackson for lowest batting average of players that were primarily outfielders in the Hall of Fame.  Heh, somebody has to hold that mark I guess.

Sorry for the ramble my beloved readers.  I trust you will excuse me on this one if you feel differently.  We congratulate all of the fans in Montreal, Chicago, Boston (your 33rd player in the HOF) and Florida (your first.) 

Please don’t misunderstand, we think the eight-time All-Star and Gold Glove winner is a great, great guy.  Dawson was a solid player trapped in some unfortunate surroundings that hindered his potential greatly, especially his 12 knee surgeries. 

But for me, I love going to the Hall of Fame to look at players like Honus Wagner.   Ty Cobb.    Dawson will fit in alphabetically in the center field bust section beside Earle Combs and Joe DiMaggio.  Hmm.  Seems right to you?

Who’s next BBWAA?  Todd Helton?

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  • http://pirateswfc.blogspot.com Brian

    Actually I’d be shocked if Todd Helton didn’t get in.

    I wonder what the voting would be if Tim Raines went to Chicago midway through his career and Dawson stayed an Expo.

  • http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dawsoan01.shtml Jeff

    Wow, you’re serious. Check out the page above, scroll down towards the bottom and look at the players whose stats are similar to Dawson’s. If that’s the case, Billy Williams, Tony Perez, Al Kaline, Ernie Banks and Dave Winfield, Duke Snider and Ralph Kiner will all have to check out of the HOF.

    Here is the list of Hall of Famers that have 400+ home Runs & 300+ stolen bases: WILLIE MAYS.

    That’s pretty good company if you ask me. One other notable in that category is Barry Bonds who may someday be in the hall of fame, I hope not.

    I’m wondering why it took 9 years to do a job that should have taken 3, you would think the government is doing the voting.

    • http://rumbunter.com Shaftie

      Yeh, I’m dead serious. Never was, never will be a fan of the Hawk. I get all the stats Jeff, that’s why we put the back of Hawk’s card at the top of the post with Willie welcoming Dawson to ‘the club.’ Can’t believe I mentioned the two in the same paragraph, I promised myself I wouldn’t do it.

  • http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dawsoan01.shtml Jeff
  • http://jaysjournal.com/ Jays Daze

    I do believe that the Hawk is deserving and don’t understand the dislike of him in the Hall. Not many players have perfect numbers, but when you evaluate him thoroughly, you definitely get a HOF. I’m sure you can find reason to discredit half the players in the HOF, but I fail to see why you would do so. It’s a great HOF, extremely hard to get into, and once you do, people should stop evaluating you and just enjoy what you did and what you bring to the HOF. The Hawk is and always will be a great ambassador for the game, and had he played on the Yankees he would have been a first or second ballot HOF.

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  • Matt

    A couple of things:

    1. You have to put Dawson’s numbers into context. He played in the early 80s when 30 homeruns could win you the title. This was the worst hitting era in the history of the game because the ballparks in the NL were much bigger. Vs. his contemporaries, his power numbers are great.

    2. Dawson played in THE worst hitters park in the league during his prime. Go look at his stats vs home and away during his prime. If you go by his away stats he actually WINS the batting title in ’81 by ten points and comes within one point of winning it again in ’83. There are some seasons where its a 100 point difference in batting average and its a dramatic difference for OBP as well. Go look at the stats. His critics point to an MVP he “didn’t deserve” in ’87… okay. Go look at his away numbers from ’81 and ’83. He got ripped off for two. If he plays in any other ballpark the man’s OBP and BA are far, far better and gets 3000 hits and 500 HRs. The guy actually got 18 sac flies in ’83, imagine if he’d been in a decent park instead. Those balls go out of the park and his OBP,BA and HR totals are much higher. You have to take this into account.

    Before you slice the man up, go look at the individual
    season splits when he was in Montreal.
    ’81: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=dawsoan01&year=1981&t=b
    +94 on BA
    +60 on OBP
    His other numbers are much better as well. He wins the batting title with his road stats and puts up almost identical numbers to Schmidt. He also gets 28 steals, is the best defensive outfielder in the league and his team makes the playoffs. There’s no way he’s not the MVP if you use his road stats.

    ’83:
    +50 on BA
    +27 on OBP
    Again, his other numbers are much better. He wins the HR title and is one point off of the batting crown. He’d have been hands down the MVP, no question about it.

    Other years follow the same pattern. In ’82 it’s +22 and +11. In ’84 it’s +71 and +62.

    Those are huge, dramatic differences. The only thing Dawson was guilty of was playing in a terrible ballpark.

    3. Dawson wasn’t just a great hitter, he stole bases and played incredible defense as well. It got to the point where runners just wouldn’t test him anymore. How many runs did his teams save just by the ‘fear factor’ of having him in the field? Nevermind the great catches and assists he contributed, players knew that he would blow them away if they ran on him.

    4. The intangibles are well documented. Class act, inspired his teammates (ask Tim Raines about this) and never, ever let up even if the game was a blowout.

    Put him up against his contemporaries and his numbers are outstanding. Only guys like Murray and Schmidt have better power/rbi numbers in his generation and Hawk was stuck in the big O.

    He’s a HOFer for sure.